Hannibal Crosses the Alps: The Invasion of Italy and the Second Punic War
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  • An Exploration Of Hannibal's Route
  • My Introduction to Hannibal
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Hannibal Crosses the Alps: The Invasion of Italy and the Second Punic War
John Prevas
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Release Date: 2001-09-18

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First time in paperback: A lively reconstruction of one of the most daring maneuvers in military history.

When he left his Spanish base one spring day in 218 B.C. with his 100,000-man army of mercenaries, officers, and elephants, Hannibal was launching not just the main offensive of the Second Punic War but also one of the great military journeys in ancient history. His masterful advance through rough terrain and fierce Celtic tribes proved his worth as a leader, but it was his extraordinary passage through the Alps-still considered treacherous even by modern climbers-that made him a legend. John Prevas combines rigorous research of ancient sources with his own excursions through the icy peaks to bring to life this awesome trek, solving the centuries-old question of Hannibal's exact route and shedding fresh light on the cultures of Rome and Carthage along the way. Here is the finest kind of history, sure to appeal to readers of Steven Pressfield's Gates of Fire: alive with grand strategy, the clash of empires, fabulous courage, and the towering figure of Hannibal Barca.

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3 out of 5 stars An Exploration Of Hannibal's Route.......2006-06-26

In "Hannibal Crosses the Alps" John Prevas focuses on what the title suggests, which is the actual crossing of the Alps by Hannibal and his mercenary army. Three of the seven chapters deal with the crossing of the Alps, while the other chapters cover the prior history between Rome and Carthage, Hannibal's rise to power, the ancient sources from which we know this history, and the rest of Hannibal's campaign in Italy after his crossing. There is also an Epilogue in which he discusses what happened to Hannibal, and what happened between Rome and Carthage through the Third Punic War.

John Prevas traveled repeatedly through the Alps seeing for himself the terrain of the many possible routes that Hannibal may have taken in his search for the correct route. The route he pieces together he supports with as much evidence as he can, using the ancient sources as well as the visual information that he was able to gather on his trips. While his case is strong and very persuasive, he does temper his argument with the acknowledgement that as of yet there isn't any physical evidence in the form of remains as of yet to turn conjecture into fact.

While overall I enjoyed this book, there are definitely some weaknesses which could have easily been addressed but sadly were not. First of all, for a work which focuses so much on the routes traveled, there are surprisingly few maps to help the reader visualize things. You may want to arm yourself with an atlas of the ancient world, or even perhaps other books about Hannibal which do contain more maps to help compensate for this lack. In addition, while I do like his writing style, there are places where he repeats himself as well as contradict himself.

In an example of repetition and contradiction, he says more than once that none of the elephants perished on the march through the Alps, but he also says more than once that the finding of elephant remains would help determine the route. Clearly there cannot be remains if no elephants were lost. He also contradicts himself with regards to the climate where he first states that there is no significant difference in the snow levels in the Alps from Hannibal's time to ours (this is in support of his argument that the pass which Hannibal took must have been at a higher elevation than those usually selected by historians), and then later he talks about the receding ice and thawing out of areas which may help find supporting evidence.

I enjoyed reading this book; however, I don't think this would be the first book I would read on Hannibal or the Punic Wars. With some minor updates and rewrites this book could easily be four stars, but for now I can only give it three.

5 out of 5 stars My Introduction to Hannibal.......2006-04-03

Although an avid reader, I seemed to have avoided this period in history in general and Hannibal in specific. I came to the subject with a very sparse knowledge of Hannibal and went away with an improved understanding, not only of Hannibal, but also of the political/cultural make up of this period in history. Of particular interest, and well expounded in the book, is how Rome and Carthage related and how ultimately Rome won out.

I saw Professor Prevas speaking on C-SPAN in early February 2006 about his book on Alexander the Great (Envy of the Gods) and found his lecture to be very intriguing. As a result I picked up this book as well as his others. I also highly recommend his book about Xenophon's march of the Greek 10,000. All three are easy reads and very interesting.

5 out of 5 stars Solid intro to Hannibal's Journey.......2005-04-21

I recommend this book for anyone looking for an easy-to-read and yet informative introduction to Hannibal. The author focusses on one of Hannibal's most famous exploits - the crossing of the Alps. It's good material and looking at it closely definitely has rewards. I don't come away from the whole discussion of just which pass Hannibal used with definite opinions, but what's interesting is the process of comparing and contrasting the different passes and asking questions.

The book does manage to be about more than just the Alps crossing. It places the conflict, says something about Carthage and Rome, and gives a quick synopsis of how the war played out. Someone who knows a lot about Hannibal will learn a thing or two here. Readers not familiar with the subject could do worse than starting with this book. It should wet your interest and convince anyone that Hannibal is one of the greatest military minds to have walked the earth. Give it a try.

If you want more... For an indepth look at the war I suggest Nigel Bagnall's The Punic Wars, and for a great novel about it all check out David Durham's Pride of Carthage.

5 out of 5 stars A 2200 Year Old Historical Odyssey.......2005-04-03

After reading David Anthony Durham's vivid novel "Pride of Carthage", a good follow-up for the reader interested in learning more about Hannibal and the Second Punic War is John Prevas' "Hannibal Crosses the Alps". Prevas has made the journey himself many times, so he is able to give accurate site reports of the various routes Hannibal is speculated to have taken over the Alps. Hannibal traveled with an army of tens of thousands of soldiers and as many as 37 war elephants. As Prevas makes his case for a crossing at Col de la Traversette, the reader is held in awe of Hannibal's tenacity and daring.

"Hannibal Crosses the Alps" is just the right size for the reader looking for a good snapshot of the Second Punic War: the book is not too short, but neither does it drown in detail. There is a good chronology in the front, some maps and photos, an extensive bibliography, and an index. More remarkable, though, is Prevas' case for Hannibal's route. The actual route has been lost to history, but Prevas has hiked though the region, and he painstakingly compares the natural features he observed to those recorded in Polybius and Livy. His conclusions are hard to refute, and baring future archeological finds, I believe his conclusions are very sound. His book will also help the reader of Durham's novel fit what is known into Durham's fictional account.

4 out of 5 stars Convincing evidence.......2002-08-12

John Prevas has done some very fine research here and should be commended for giving so much evidence to his theory on the path that Hannibal took over the Alps. However, he continuously repeats himself many times in the book and this made it sometimes difficult to get through. All in all a very convincing theory of Hannibals pass over the Alps. Until a body or some other hard physical evidence is found that proves without a doubt where Hannibal actually crossed the Alps, I will stick with Mr. Prevas and his theory. Highly recommend the book for students of military history who do not want a whole lot of excitement with their reading, you will not find much action here. If you want action, read Caesers Commentaries. I give 4 stars for the amount of time and personal sacrifice that Mr. Prevas put into the work by going to the locations through a number of years of research and on site camping, must have been exciting to be where Hannibal had been.

Not a bad book but often times dry and unexciting.
Cannae: The Experience of Battle in the Second Punic War
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  • Cannae: The Experience of Battle in the Second Punic War
Cannae: The Experience of Battle in the Second Punic War
Gregory Daly
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On a hot, dusty summer's day in 216 BC, the forces of the Carthaginian general Hannibal faced the Roman army in a dramatic encounter at Cannae. Hannibal slaughtered the much larger Roman army. It was the high point of his military career. Massively outnumbered, they nevertheless won an astonishing victory-one that left more than 50,000 Romans dead. Gregory Daly's enthralling narrative recreates the infamous battle and provides a compelling portrait of the horror and chaos of ancient warfare. From the composition of the armies to the strategy and methods of the generals, Daly draws the reader in and makes the battle come alive.
Clear, vivid, and drawing on a wide range of ancient sources and modern scholarship, Cannae offers the fullest account yet of the most destructive battle in ancient history.

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5 out of 5 stars $110?.......2007-07-02

Can someone please explain why the hardcover edition of this book is listed at $110? I'm baffled.

I am interested in reading the book, but there is no way that I will throw down that much money for a book that was just published 5 years ago!

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5 out of 5 stars A Fascinating Read!!.......2005-10-15

I thoroughly enjoyed this book and could not put it down. Although the available references for this battle are rather limited (primarily Polybius and Livy) Daly does a masterful job of combing the ancient sources for evidence of what the experience of combat must have been like for the Carthaginians and Romans on that hot day. He uses much of what Victor Hanson has written regarding ancient warfare, John Keegan's analytical framework and considerable thought and insight to weave a "face of battle" picture of the event. The work has great information on the composition and tactics of the armies and a wonderful description of the manipular legion at work. A must read if you are even remotely interested in ancient warfare.

5 out of 5 stars Excellent study of an ancient battle.......2004-01-12

Battle of Cannae was one of the most complete victories ever won over the famed Roman legions by any of her many opponents. Fought during the Second Punic War, Hannibal who won this great tactical victory will be forever be remembered by it. This battle set the standard of what we would regard as a total tactical victory on the battlefield. Gregory Daly's book goes into considerable details on how this event took places, forces and commanders involved and lay-out of the battle, location, formations and conditions. Daly's put considerable effort into his research and what we have here is a very definitive book on the battle of Cannae. Its also helped that I thought Gregory Daly wrote pretty well, nicely paced and clearly written. Anyone with a slightest interest in this time period should buy this book.

5 out of 5 stars Cannae: The Experience of Battle in the Second Punic War.......2003-09-28

A facinating educational read! Thorough details of battle - indepth descriptions of conditions and strategies. Need I say more.

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Hannibal: A history of the art of war among the Carthaginians and Romans down to the Battle of Pydna, 168 B.C., with a detailed account of the Second Punic War
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    Hannibal: A History of the Art of War Among the Carthaginians and Romans Down to the Battle of Pydna, 168 Bc, With a Detailed Account of the Second
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    Hannibal: A History of the Art of War Among the Carthaginians and Romans Down to the Battle of Pydna, 168 Bc, With a Detailed Account of the Second
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    5 out of 5 stars Pure Military History.......2006-05-06

    The author fought in the civil war and was a career army officer. He personally visited all the sites about which he writes and provides a clear and exciting read of the entire history of Hanibal's campaigns in Italy up to and including the final battle outside Carthage. Given that he personnaly understood pre-industrial war first hand and there was little infrastructure in Italy when he visited and wrote the book in the late 19th century, his battlefield and logistical descriptions are particularly valid.

    He is unabashedly a fan of Hanibal and provides fascinating insights into his character. He covers the Roman strategy and tactics very well also and provides a valid explanation for why Hanibal did not immediately attack Rome after the battle of Cannae, why he never suffered open rebellion within his own ranks and how he was able to hang on for so long in the boot of Italy when outright conquest of Rome was clearly impossible. Highly recommended.
    Hannibal's War: A Military History of the Second Punic War
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    Hannibal's War: A Military History of the Second Punic War
    J. F. Lazenby
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    5 out of 5 stars Well-researched--a Must-Have for the Punic Wars Enthusiast.......2007-04-28

    J. F. Lazenby's "Hannibal's War" provides an in-depth look at Hannibal's struggle against Rome by carefully examining the writings of the ancient historians (Polybius and Livy) and attempting to reconcile their accounts. Lazenby also examines controversial issues (like Hannibal's crossing of the Alps) from all angles and looks for reasonable solutions. The level of research and work put into this book is extremely impressive, as witnessed by the extensive footnotes and bibliography.
    My only concern is that it could use color photos and better maps, but overall the scholarship is extremely impressive. I highly recommend "Hannibal's War" for all Punic Wars enthusiasts, although readers who are new to the subject might consider reading Jacob Abbott's "Hannibal" or Harold Lamb's "Hannibal: One Man Against Rome" instead, which provide engaging narrative accounts of Hannibal's life.

    1 out of 5 stars some real history please.......2006-09-16

    Lazenby is another one of those tiresome apoligists for Hannibal "the loser" - why do they (i.e. the Lazenby's with a "pen" in their hands) try so hard to find reasons - denying history and fact - as why Hannibal lost, not just the 2nd Punic War, but his entire culture! Hannibal was defeated by Scipio because: 1) Scipio was his intellectual superior; 2) Scipio was his miltary superior; 3) Scipio was his moral superior; and 4) Scipio was a citizen of a country that he, Scipio, actually loved and was dedicated to. Hannibal was a lost soul, without a country, without morals, without a vision of world, and those who admire him are as lost and visionless as the greatest loser of all times!

    The book is full of historical errors - many are glaring and so obvious - does anyone review this nonsense?

    R Asaro

    4 out of 5 stars Great book for intermediate and advanced students.......2003-09-04

    Professor Lazenby's book is the modern standard on the subject of Hannibal's campaings during the Second Punic War. I highly recommed it with a few provisions.

    First, you have to know more than a little about the Second Punic War and its participants to get the most out of this book. The author often refers to events and battles with the assumption that the reader knows what happened and what were the consequences. Prof. Lazenby goes into the appropriate detail into the key events - such as Hannibal's crossing of the Alps or the battle of Cannae - but he does not expound upon other participants or less critical events and their consequences. One such example is M. Claudius Marcellus. If I hadn't read Plutarch's Life of Marcellus, I would have thought he was just some ordinary Roman general, which he wasn't.

    Second, the book reads well despite its lack of narrative. Much of the book tries to sort out between the two ancient sources, Polybius and Livy. Page after page follows the same format - Polybius said this, Livy said that, I (the author) think that so and so was right, etc. As I've said, the book still reads well despite its strong emphasis on research over narrative.

    Finally, you need a set of good maps - or another book with excellent maps - to follow the action. Books such as "Hannibal's War" have not benefitted from modern publishing. Instead of clean and clear maps that might be in a book published in 1998, the publisher decided to in essence photocopy the original, grainy, crowded, eyesore maps from 1978 and stuck them in the back of the book. Overall, they're not much help. And in especially complex parts such as the Battle of Ilipa (map included in the back), you end up doing your own cross referencing to figure out exactly what happened.

    In the end, this is a great book to augment your knowledge of the Second Punic War. I highly recommend it - I even enjoyed it, but I happen to enjoy dry, detailed books on Roman history.

    4 out of 5 stars A Turning Point for the Roman Republic.......2000-09-26

    J. F. Lazenby, an English professor of Ancient History, has written the definitive academic interpretation of the Second Punic War between Rome and Carthage from 218 to 202 BC. The bulk of Lazenby's work is a synthesis of the two main ancient sources: the Greek Polybius who wrote about 50 years after the war and the Roman historian Livy who wrote his account about 200 years after the war. Several other ancient sources are also used, but the bulk of this history is an interpretation of Polybius and Livy by Lazenby.

    While Hannibal is clearly the main focus, Lazenby admits that the brilliant Carthaginian general can only be analyzed in terms of his actions not his character, due to the paucity of primary sources. Lazenby clearly admires Hannibal and the reader is soon caught up in his admiration as well, following Hannibal's bold crossing of the Alps and stunning victories in Italy. However Lazenby believes that Hannibal's greatest achievement was his survival in Italy for nearly fifteen years, virtually cut off from Carthage. Scipio Africanus' rise is also well-documented, his bold campaign in Spain particularly stands out, but Lazenby places him second in skill to Hannibal. This is akin to placing Wellington behind Napoleon in generalship, despite Waterloo. Lazenby touches on the issue of whether or not Hannibal's entire strategy in Italy was flawed but then drops it without conclusion. For myself, I think Hannibal was a tactical genius but he was overly rigid in strategic outlook since he seemed unable to grasp that his strategy of winning over Rome's Italian allies was not producing decisive results. That he sat around in Italy for fifteen years doing little while the Romans overran Spain and Sicily seems to me that he failed to realize that Roman strategy had bypassed him. Unable to defeat Hannibal directly, Roman strategy simply became to defeat the Carthaginians wherever Hannibal was not.

    Although the spotlight is on Hannibal, Lazenby views the Second Punic War as crucial to the evolution of the Roman Republic into a true empire. Prior to the war, Roman armies had rarely ventured outside Italy. By the end of the war in 202 BC, Roman armies had occupied parts of Spain, France, Albania, Greece and North Africa. The Roman army also grew immensely in size and experience, fielding over 250,000 troops by the end of the war. The war gave Rome both the incentive and the tools to establish a dominant hegemony over the Western Mediterranean littoral.

    There are several interesting themes that Lazenby hammers home throughout the book. One is that Rome's victory was due to its superior ability to mobilize manpower. Although the Romans suffered numerous costly defeats at the hands of Hannibal, they always seemed to raise more legions to hem him into a corner in the boot of Italy. Carthage on the other hand, relied on professional mercenaries and had difficulty replacing large losses. This ties into a second related theme, which is that while Carthage might have had a well-led professional army, it did not have much of an empire or faithful allies. When Roman armies invaded Spain or North Africa, Carthage's allies melted away or deserted her. Finally, a third theme is the instrumental nature of Roman seapower in the final victory. Although there were no large naval battles, the Roman dominance of the sea was never seriously challenged by the Carthaginian fleet. Sea control gave strategic flexibility to Scipio but denied it to Hannibal.

    Lazenby's account is the best synthesis available on the ancient sources. It has decent sketch maps that support the text well and there are modern photos of some of the battlefields. The only flaw is a tendency to digress on arcane disputes between Livy and Polybius when their respective accounts differ, which is distracting and should have been placed in endnotes.

    4 out of 5 stars A Well Written History of the 2nd Punic War.......2000-06-08

    This book is full of wisdom and insight regarding the war between Rome and Carthage, part 2. The author looks at the primary sources critically and attempts to draw out the probable scenarios of the major points of the war. Personally I thought he did a great job regarding that. He has many maps at the end of the book so you can find out where the major action is happening without any problems. Although I wouldn't recommend it for a complete novice (i.e. someone who doesn't know a thing about ancient Rome) I think it is an excellent introduction to the finer points of the Second Punic War for anyone else.
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          5. They Cast No Shadows: A Collection of Essays on the Illuminati, Revisionist History, and Suppressed Technologies They Cast No Shadows: A Collection of Essays on the Illuminati, Revisionist History, and Suppressed Technologies

          ASIN: 2913621058

          Book Description

          Recorded history is a finely-woven magic fabric of intricate lies about events predating the sixteenth century. There is not a single piece of evidence that can be reliably and independently traced back earlier than the eleventh century. This book details events that are substantiated by hard facts and logic, and validated by new astronomical research and statistical analysis of ancient sources.

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          3 out of 5 stars Calculations are only as good as your numbers.......2007-08-03

          Yes, we can all agree that mainstream history is nearly 100% BS due to politics, economics, ego, problems with dating techniques, and various conspiracies. Agreed. But, I've been researching the distinct possibility that human history (in terms of civilizations) are much more ancient than we've been told, so coming across this book was very interesting to me. I wondered how Fomenko could be wrong (if at all) because he is very persuasive in his presentations. Then it dawned on me. If at previous times in prehistory, due to the various catastrophies that are well documented (comets, asteroids, planetary disruptions, plasma discharge, pole reversals, etc) the Earth was in a different position in relation to the sun, different tilt on its axis, different orbit, different rotation (in terms of velocity and DIRECTION), and the continents were in different positions, then would this not cause the ancients to see the sky (constellations) differently? In other words, is Fomenko making erronious assumptions about the physics of the Earth in pre-history, which then corrupt his data with regards to dating the relevant astrology? The last event to seriously disrupt our planet occured roughly 3500 years ago, according to other good researchers, so is it possible Fomenko has been confused by this? The vastly different physics of our planet in the not so distant past may explain this confusion, which is not to say the "mainstream" version of history is correct; on the contrary. I am not an expert in these fields, but wanted to see if this idea could spark discussion.

          5 out of 5 stars Pants on fire?.......2007-07-19

          Will people ever read before spamming? Yes, Jesuits could not rewrite world history alone, they had help. Anyway, Dr Prof Acad A.Fomenko does not point to jesuits as the driving force of world wide history manipulation in published volumes 1,2,3;, actually he barely mentions the poor devils. Check it with 'Search inside' feature, please. China is rarely mentioned either, in fact, Dr Fomenko is completely eurocentric. Right, his theory contradicts all mainstream schools of history, because in their actual state they are all built on blatantly erroneus chronology. You don't need a mysterious cabal (conspiracy) to falsify history, the falsification is its modus operandi. It is inherent to history(ians) to falsify (distort) events, as it is inherent to humans to boast as it is inherent to power (authority) to legimize itself by referrring to glorious past made to its own order. Dr Prof Fomenko and team have identified scores of instances of such manipulation in Russian, European, etc.. history, and delivered valid statistical proof thereof. His own 'reconstruction' is completely another story. Forget c14 as a valid method of dating. W.Libby has initially discovered a brilliant method of INDEPENDENT dating. Too bad, c14 method has become a joke after a forced marrige with dendrochronology with consensual chronological scale inbuilt. Radiocarbon method can't stand blind tests, but is so very productive as a rubberstamp.

          5 out of 5 stars Accepted History & Chronology Must Be Changed. .......2007-04-09

          There is no doubt that history as most know it is a sham, & institution's version of History both University & Church is fradulent & inaccurate. Everything was established with an agenda, The real "Dark Ages" are now when we have access to incredible amounts of information past authorities & more important 'common folk' didn't have but our institutions & educators are slow to evolve because of what has ignorantly & arrogantly been taught for too long. This is on many subjects not just Chronology.

          For anyone to question "Why would a Mathematician have anything credible to say of History?" The answer is from Dr. Fomenko's preface in the book: "It would be worthwhile to remind the reader that in the XVI-XVII century Chronology was considered to be a subdivision of Mathematics." These volumes could possibly be some of the most important works to date & should be read by everyone with an interest in History, especially professors & educators who have a duty to the public. I have read both books & must say that 'Chronology 1' has some very eye opening & revolutionary information. Even if these volumes are part true the implications are profound & opens the doors to further investigations & questions which must be done. I speak several different lanquages & must say the logic Dr. Fomenko uses with "inflection" of words & words being read from left to right in one region & right to left in another then written backwards, the removal of vowels & get down to basics of words, or different cities & locations having the same name etc. is correct. Vowel usage has always been optional & varied, actually complicating linquistics & study. The first thing one has to understand is that words never had a fixed spelling in history like we do now, the spelling of words was mutable & regional, as well as names & titles of people were vast, varied & changed, NOTHING WAS FIXED or understood linear. Matters of Life & Death as well as financial profiteering yesterday & today were & are made with ignorant, illogical & conspiratorial views of history & reality, it's time people get closer to the Truth & society collectively grow up.

          5 out of 5 stars Very Interesting.......2007-03-07

          It is a good proposal and I believe it will mature into something even better in the future. I think it deserves to be read.

          4 out of 5 stars History as Science Fiction.......2007-01-10

          Anatoly Fomenko has written a very intriguing book, full of pictures, charts, and computer 'proof' of his thesis: backwards of AD900 we don't really know what happened or when. Between AD900 and AD1600 there is more certainty, but there is still a lot of fuzzy ground, and things don't get reliable until we get past the 1600's where the printing press made it very difficult for the perpetrators of this timeline manipulation to change anything that had been committed to print. The Dark Ages did not happen. Books were burned for a reason. One organization has doubled the actual length of its existence by expanding the real chronology. Read why.

          I had always wondered why Christ died about AD33 and yet men waited until the 11th century to form the Knights Templar, the Cathars, etc and go after the Holy Land by force. Why the 1000 year gap? Turns out there wasn't more than a 10-12 year gap and he proves it using astronomy. This also implies that the planet is not as old as we have been told, and current Christian and other creationist scientists are already championing that idea without being aware of Fomenko's book. The two groups, creationist scientists and the Russian mathematical analysts corroborate each other. Fascinating.

          Of course, all this flies in the face of what we have been told traditionally is the 'proper' chronology of western civilization, and most readers will experience 'cognitive dissonance' in reading this book. It means that our history going backwards from AD1600 becomes progressively more incorrect and unreliable until it cannot be trusted at all... in the space of 700-800 years.

          Naturally, the curious, open-minded reader will want to know WHO did this, WHY, and did any of the events we think of as really ancient ever happen?
          Dr. Fomenko is a respected scientist/mathematician at Moscow State University who has already answered these questions to the satisfaction of his initially skeptical colleagues. Most of them are now believers, a few still refuse to believe (the usual diehards), and of course the western press has ignored Fomenko's work -- for obvious reasons when you read the book. The ones who perpetrated this chronology ruse have a lot to answer for. They are still with us. That's why this book is a well-kept secret.

          I gave the book a 4-star rating because I was unable to check out some of his claims; those I checked were as he said. But if even 1/3 of his claims are true, this punches a big hole in what we think is our history, the meaning of western civilization, our educational process (for repeating the ruse as gospel), and the trustworthiness of the organization that perpetrated this ruse, well-intentioned or not.

          This book relates to current research into a Young Earth paradigm, to John Keel's discoveries about our planet, and Fr Malachi Martin's insights (in his now out-of-print books). We are indeed sheep who are manipulated and kept ignorant -- for a reason. While knowing what these men have to say may be the "booby prize" (as in: 'what can you do with this knowledge?'), it will provide interesting reading. Didn't someone say: "...and the Truth will set you free."?? For you to judge if this book contains the truth.
          Grandmama of Europe: The crowned descendants of Queen Victoria
          Average customer rating: 4 out of 5 stars
          • What a mob. . . .
          • An excellent overview of the lesser know branches
          Grandmama of Europe: The crowned descendants of Queen Victoria
          Theo Aronson
          Manufacturer: John Murray
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          4 out of 5 stars What a mob. . . ........2005-09-17

          There's a famous painting by Tuxen (reproduced on the jacket of this fat volume) of Victoria's family gathered around her at the time of her Golden Jubilee in 1887; the crowd fills the royal drawing room. During those celebrations, the women of the family filled ten carriages while the men, including a number of ruling and future monarchs, made up an impromptu cavalry troop. Aronson is an old and skilled hand at producing popular biographies of European dynasties and he uses Victoria's position as matriarch of a vast royal clan to construct an overview in the late 19th and early 20th century of Europe's ruling families on ten thrones, from London and Madrid to Athens and St. Petersburg. This is also a personal and domestic study, focusing on court life, rather than a political history, and it is limited to only the first generation, not their heirs to the present day -- which also means that, except for the future Edward VIII, the author is concerned mostly with Victoria's daughters and granddaughters who married into other royal houses. The author's style is easy and his insights and judgments are astute, making this a good introduction to the modern monarchies of Europe.

          4 out of 5 stars An excellent overview of the lesser know branches.......1998-10-27

          This book has helped me on more than one occasion, to sort out Queen Victoria's huge family. The book only rates four stars, because I dislike the way it is organized. But the information, as well as the detailed lineage is wonderful. Many of Mr. Aronson's books are out of print, but I find them quite frequently at the Strand in NYC or other used bookstores.
          Queen Victoria's Descendant
          Average customer rating: 4.5 out of 5 stars
          • For All Royal Genealogy Buffs
          • Excellent source for its subject
          • We are amused
          Queen Victoria's Descendant
          Marlene A. Eilers
          Manufacturer: Marlene a Eilers
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          ASIN: 0938311042

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          Through her marriage into the German royal house of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, and through the marriages of her nine children and her many grandchildren, Queen Victoria guided and manipulated the destiny of European royalty. Today the British Royal Family is connected by blood and marriage to the royal houses of Spain, Germany, Greece, Russia, Romania, Yugoslavia, Sweden, and Denmark.

          This is the first book to treat the subject of Victoria and her descendants. The first section is the story of Victoria and her children, and it follows them and their children and grandchildren through the royal courts of Europe and brings their stories, as far as possible, up to the present time. The second part of the book--the genealogy--shows the descents from each of Victoria's children, listing births, marriages, deaths, annulments, divorces, honors, titles, and connections up to the present time.

          Customer Reviews:

          5 out of 5 stars For All Royal Genealogy Buffs.......2001-10-19

          If you are wondering where Victoria's descendants are, this is the book for you. It is in two parts. The first part focuses on the families with many pictures from the author's own collection. The second part focuses on the genealogical information. The format is lucid and newcomers should have no trouble following the family lines. I highly recommend this book. It is a great addition to anyone's royal or historical library.

          4 out of 5 stars Excellent source for its subject.......2001-08-10

          If all you want is names and dates, then _Burke's Guide to the Royal Family_ is a better, more detailed source. But if you want more juice, the slightly gossipy chapters of this book -- one chapter per family group -- are informative and well-illustrated, and filled with odd tidbits . . . such as the fact that Queen Margarethe of Denmark is an artist who has designed her country's Christmas seals and also illustrated an edition of _The Lord of the Rings._

          5 out of 5 stars We are amused.......2000-05-13

          Queen Victoria's Descendants lists every known descendant of the queen as of the date of writing. It's a good starting point for those interested in royal history and a valuable reference work for historians and royal genealogists, but it's also an eye-opener for those who think Victoria's descendants are all rich, idle jet-setters.

          I strongly recommend this book.
          The descendants of Her Majesty Queen Victoria
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            The descendants of Her Majesty Queen Victoria
            D. W. M Grant
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            ASIN: B0007JPO96
            The descendants of Queen Victoria: Supplement & corrections
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              The descendants of Queen Victoria: Supplement & corrections
              Marlene A Eilers
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              Grandmama of Europe, The Crowned Descendants of Queen Victoria
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                Grandmama of Europe, The Crowned Descendants of Queen Victoria
                Theo ARONSON
                Manufacturer: Bobbs Merrill
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                ASIN: B000OPMFNG
                Grandmama of Europe: The Crowned Descendants of Queen Victoria
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                  Theo ARONSON
                  Manufacturer: Cassell
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                  ASIN: B000ORYADM

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