Olympos
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Olympos
Dan Simmons
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ASIN: 0380817934
Release Date: 2006-07-25

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Welcome back to the Trojan War gone round the bend. Hector and Achilles have joined forces against the Olympic Gods. Back on a future Earth, assorted creatures from Shakespeare's The Tempest get ready to rumble in a winner-takes-the-universe battle royale. And amid it all, a group of confused mere mortals with their classically trained robot allies (from Jupiter no less) race across time and space to keep from getting squashed as the various Titans of the Western Canon square off.

Confused? It's all part of Dan Simmons's Olympos, a novel one part fun-with-quantum-physics and two parts through-the-looking-glass survey of Western Literature. Picking up where he left off in the high-wire act Ilium, Simmons doesn't disappoint. Not only is Olympos excellent hard science fiction and grand space opera, it's a riveting and fast-paced book that is alternately shocking, thrilling, and often deftly hilarious as his hapless human creations wrestle the forces of literary history itself. Be sure to read Ilium first though. That and a more-than passing familiarity with The Illiad might come in handy for the journey to Mars, Ilium's far-off shores, and the Earth that might be. --Jeremy Pugh

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Beneath the gaze of the gods, the mighty armies of Greece and Troy met in fierce and glorious combat, scrupulously following the text set forth in Homer's timeless narrative. But that was before twenty-first-century scholar Thomas Hockenberry stirred the bloody brew, causing an enraged Achilles to join forces with his archenemy Hector and turn his murderous wrath on Zeus and the entire pantheon of divine manipulators; before the swift and terrible mechanical creatures that catered for centuries to the pitiful idle remnants of Earth's human race began massing in the millions, to exterminate rather than serve.

And now all bets are off.

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Beneath the gaze of the gods, the mighty armies of Greece and Troy met in fierce and glorious combat, scrupulously following the text set forth in Homer's timeless narrative. But that was before one observer -- Twenty-first Century scholar Thomas Hockenberry -- stirred the bloody brew; before an enraged Achilles joined forces with his archenemy Hector; and before the fleet-footed mankiller turned his murderous wrath on Zeus, Hera, Athena, Aphrodite, Apollo, and the entire pantheon of divine manipulators.

Now, all bets are off.

Dan Simmons, the multiple-award-winning author of The Hyperion Cantos, returns with the eagerly anticipated conclusion to his critically acclaimed, Hugo Award-nominated sf epic Ilium. A novel breathtaking in its scope and conception, Olympos ingeniously imagines a catastrophic future where immortal ""post-humans"" high atop the real Olympos Mons on Mars restage the Trojan War for their own amusement even while the sad remnants of mortal humankind are forced to confront their ultimate annihilation.

For untold centuries, those few old-style humans remaining on Earth have never known strife, toil, or responsibility, each content to live his or her allocated hundred years of life in unquestioning leisure. But virtually overnight and for reasons beyond their comprehension, the world around them has changed forever. The voynix -- terrible and swift creatures that once catered to their every need -- are now massing in the millions with but one terrifying purpose: the total extermination of the human race.

Having traveled farther and learned more of the wondrous and terrible truth of their world than any others of their kind, Ada and Daeman -- with the aid of the crafty and mysterious warrior once called Odysseus, now called Noman -- must marshal the pathetic defenses of Ardis Hall in anticipation of the onslaught of the murderous voynix. And they must do so without Harman, Ada's lover and the father of her unborn child, who wanders the Earth on a great odyssey of his own. Harman seeks nothing less than the limitless knowledge necessary to defeat Setebos, an unspeakable, otherworldly monster who feeds on horror, and whose arrival heralds the end of all things.

And meanwhile, back on Mars ...

The vengeful rebellion of Achilles -- and the intervention of sentient robots from Jovian space, determined to prevent a potentially universe-obliterating quantum catastrophe -- has set immortal against immortal, igniting a civil war among Olympian gods that may send all things in Heaven and Earth and everywhere in between plummeting straight to Hell.

A monumental work that blurs the often arbitrary line between great sf and serious literature, Dan Simmons's Olympos -- together with its extraordinary predecessor, Ilium -- sets new standards for the genre, confirming his reputation as one of the most original authors currently working in the field of speculative fiction.

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Customer Reviews:

3 out of 5 stars A mixed bag.......2007-08-13

This is the sequel to "Ilium". Although sequel isn't really the right word, because that implies each book can stand independently. This is one long story that, for whatever publishing or marketing reasons, is being sold as two different books. The "Kill Bill" of literature, if you will.

I suspect that the primary reason for this would be the sheer length of the story. At a combined total of close to 2000 pages, it would be hard to fit it all into one binding. However in my opinion, the publishers of this book are being slightly dishonest, because the book jacket really should read, "Don't even think about buying this book if you haven't read 'Ilium' yet, because it will make absolutely no sense." But there's not a word about this book being a sequel on the cover. In fact for someone just wandering through the bookstore, like I was a couple months ago, it is very hard to tell just by looking at the book covers which book is a sequel to which.

Marketing quibbles aside:

I thought Simmons did an excellent job of re-writing the characters from Homer's Iliad. At this point in the story, the meddling Dr. Hockenberry has succeeded in diverting the Trojan War from its normal course, and Homer's characters are now off on a new adventure, but all the more fun to follow these classic characters as they go down a new unknown path.

I was absolutely glued to this book during the Trojan War sections. However, as I noted in my review of Ilium, unfortunately the Trojan War sections are only 1/3 (maybe even less) of this story. The rest deals with the standard post-apocolyptic future being terrorized by cyborg killing machines, resurrected dinosaurs, Caliban and the characters from Shakespeare's "The Tempest", and some strange half organic robots from Jupiter. It all ties together somehow at the end, but for me, it got a bit too bizarre. Furthermore I never really got interested in any of Dan Simmons's original characters the way I was interested in the Greek and Trojan heroes.

Dan Simmons is juggling several balls at once in this story line, and I don't think he really does any of them justice. The plot, to the extent there is a plot, becomes this huge monster of a story line, which has several loose ends and unanswered questions by the time the book comes to a close. Furthermore several of the side stories could easily have been pulled from this book without making a difference. For example, the whole story about the Trojan War taking place in the future didn't really impact the other storylines in this book all that much.

Furthermore there are several errors in this book, both in regards to Homer's story, and continuity errors in regards to Dan Simmon's own story, which indicate a lack of thorough proof-reading or editorial oversight. To give one example from many: Dan Simmons claims Sarpedon was killed by Patroclus, which is technically true in Homer's Iliad, but Simmons apparently forgot that in his own story Patroclus was kidnapped by professor Hockenberry before the last chapters of the Iliad were allowed to unfold. These kind of things don't spoil the whole book, but there were enough of them to annoy me.

3 out of 5 stars Slow at times, complex, carefully thought out.......2007-08-09

Like its predecessor, Ilium, Olympos starts kind of slow, and has its slow spots. Still, it's a worthy sequel, and addresses some of the open topics left dangling after Ilium. Simmons is a master of believable alternate realities and complex, credible intertwining storytelling. We learn more of the war against the gods, the Little Green Men are explained, and we see the post-literate society grapple with re-learning fundamental survival skills. Recommended.

4 out of 5 stars Stop expecting Hyperion and you will enjoy it more...........2007-08-02

While Olympos isn't as strong as Ilium, it is still quite good. There's a lot of meat being left out in most of the bad reviews, which seem to hover around the same theme: This isn't what they wanted after reading Hyperion. That's a shame, and I think that clouded some from appreciating many of the insane concepts Simmons presents in this book.

I think the ending was solid enough to tie up the loose ends that needed to be tied up. At the same time, it was open ended, which makes it brilliant. If it ended with a titanic battle everyone seems to want, and let the reader know what happened to every single character, it would have come across in a very cliche fashion. An ending like that would clashed with the structure of the book. This book has some of the most far out concepts and plot lines I've read in ages, so expecting a book like this to have everything tied up in a neat package in the end is nothing but setting oneself up for disappointment. The answers are there for you to find. Everything else is left for the imagination.

1 out of 5 stars Sooooo Disappointing.......2007-06-07

Ilium was fabulous in so many ways. Olympos is the opposite. In this novel, the author has let islamophobia, misogyny and homophobia get in the way of his storytelling gifts. Where the Hyperion series had a transcendent view of human destiny, Olympos ends on a downer - the future for women, at least, is to be chained firmly to the kitchen sink.

Plotting seems to go out the window as well and, as other reviewers have pointed out, the narrative threads are left hanging. Why on earth was Moira brought back, for example? Why did Setebos leave? Is there any point to the Moravec army? And for God's sake, posthuman women seem unlikely candidates to gender bend into muscle bound Olympian Gods! But then, for Simmons, maleness is clearly the superior state.

Even the Moravecs can't rescue this ultimately nasty novel. I used to look forward to every new Dan Simmons novel - now I'm not sure if I would read this author again. My advice? Avoid!

2 out of 5 stars Disappointment after Illium.......2007-06-02

Illium was the first Dan Simmons book I read. I'd picked it up because I was on a bit of a Mars-sf jag. It was different from what I'd expected but it was still a great book. Simmons managed the multiple plotlines with style and grace and gave us some interesting characters, especially in Mahnmut the Moravec cyborg.

Olympos is just a big disappointment. As Illium ends it looks like we're going to have a major war against the Gods with the Moravecs tagging along and trying to fix the potentially reality destroying stuff that's going on.

Instead the war takes place mostly off screen and ends largely with a return to the status quo. This is okay though but Simmons takes the book into odd and pointless detours and peoples it with characters with the thinest of motivations. Worse yet, the book moves at a plodding pace. When I read Illium I was amazed that Simmons could have made me read 800 pages about a few weeks worth of events and not be bored with it. In Olympos we just get everything expanded and boring. Do we really need a whole chapter (and a relatively long one at that) devoted to a characters pseudo-necrophilia? Do we really need THREE whole chapters of a character journeying to plead with some elder gods? Do we really need two whole chapters of a character getting a library downloaded into his brain? Do we need several chapters of characters rehashing how dire their situation is? Do we need one whole chapter of people deciding whether or not to vote on something and then another whole chapter for the vote?

Worse yet, the ending is rushed and leaves so much feeling unresolved. When I was about halfway through and Simmons was still introducing major new characters and plot points I knew there was a problem. The resolution feels awfully rushed and extremely convenient. Some characters are never fully explained. What is the difference between the Odysseus's? Who is Sycorax? Why the hell did we bother with Moira at all? Through nearly 2000 pages, in two books, Simmons builds us up for a major confrontation with the big bad guy. But it never comes!

There are other little issues that people have pointed to about style as well. There's disturbing homophobic and Islamophobic statements in the book. The books also had an unusually large number of typos.
Gods of Olympos or mythology of the Greeks and Romans
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    Gods of Olympos or mythology of the Greeks and Romans
    A. H. Petiscus
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    1892. The Olympos of Dr. Petiscus, on which, with large alterations and additions, is the basis of this book. The book, while specially intended for the elementary learner of mythology offers itself also to the more advanced student of classical art and literature, and humbly as a guidepost to the intending specialist. Contents: character and meaning of the gods of classic antiquity; origin of the gods; gods of Olympos; sea and river gods; earth gods; divinities of the underworld; myths of heroes. Illustrated.
    Olympos: tales of the gods of Greece and Rome: By Talfourd Ely ... Based on the German of Dr. Hans Dütschke. With an index, six photographic plates, and forty-seven illustrations in the text.
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      Olympos: tales of the gods of Greece and Rome: By Talfourd Ely ... Based on the German of Dr. Hans Dütschke. With an index, six photographic plates, and forty-seven illustrations in the text.
      Talfourd Ely
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      This volume is produced from digital images from the Cornell University Library Historical Monographs collection.
      Before Olympos
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        Elmer G Suhr
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        Before Olympos;: A study of the aniconic origins of Poseidon, Hermes, and Eros,
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          Before Olympos;: A study of the aniconic origins of Poseidon, Hermes, and Eros,
          Elmer George Suhr
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          D'Olympos A Baltimore De La Grece Ancienne Au Nouveau Monde: Le Periple D'une Communaute
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            D'Olympos A Baltimore De La Grece Ancienne Au Nouveau Monde: Le Periple D'une Communaute
            Liliane; Melina Mercouri et al De Toledo
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            Myths and Legends of Mount Olympos
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              Myths and Legends of Mount Olympos
              Charles F., III Baker , and Rosalie F. Baker
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              This collection of myths clearly explains the differences between the Greek and Roman deities and highlights the beliefs and daily customs of the ancient Greeks and Romans. It includes a genealogy chart and map.
              OLYMPOS
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                OLYMPOS
                Dan Simmons
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                Olympos: A Pirate's Town in Lycia (Homer Archaeological Guides) (Homer Archaeological Guides)
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                  Olympos: A Pirate's Town in Lycia (Homer Archaeological Guides) (Homer Archaeological Guides)
                  Ebru Parman , Orhan Atvur , Yelda Olcay Uckan , Erkan Uckan , and Yalcin Mergen
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                  A lavish archaeological guide to the site of Olympos, Turkey. Olympos was occupied from antiquity into the Byzantine era and is an attractive site, with nearby beach and azure-blue sea. The site is not the easiest to view, however, so a guidebook is a necessity. This book has been written by a number of experts who worked on the site's excavation, to bring it's splendours to a wider audience.
                  SOME QUESTIONS OF MUSICAL THEORY: CHAPTER I HOW OLYMPOS FOUND HIS NEW SCALE, CHAPTER II THE OLYMPIAN.
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                    SOME QUESTIONS OF MUSICAL THEORY: CHAPTER I HOW OLYMPOS FOUND HIS NEW SCALE, CHAPTER II THE OLYMPIAN.

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                    I And Thou
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                    • A half-departure from liberal theology
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                    I And Thou
                    Martin Buber
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                    I and Thou, Martin Buber's classic philosophical work, is among the 20th century's foundational documents of religious ethics. "The close association of the relation to God with the relation to one's fellow-men ... is my most essential concern," Buber explains in the Afterword. Before discussing that relationship, in the book's final chapter, Buber explains at length the range and ramifications of the ways people treat one another, and the ways they bear themselves in the natural world. "One should beware altogether of understanding the conversation with God ... as something that occurs merely apart from or above the everyday," Buber explains. "God's address to man penetrates the events in all our lives and all the events in the world around us, everything biographical and everything historical, and turns it into instruction, into demands for you and me." Throughout I and Thou, Buber argues for an ethic that does not use other people (or books, or trees, or God), and does not consider them objects of one's own personal experience. Instead, Buber writes, we must learn to consider everything around us as "You" speaking to "me," and requiring a response. Buber's dense arguments can be rough going at times, but Walter Kaufmann's definitive 1970 translation contains hundreds of helpful footnotes providing Buber's own explanations of the book's most difficult passages. --Michael Joseph Gross

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                    Martin Buber's I and Thou has long been acclaimed as a classic. Many prominent writers have acknowledged its influence on their work; students of intellectual history consider it a landmark; and the generation born since World War II considers Buber as one of its prophets.

                    The need for a new English translation has been felt for many years. The old version was marred by many inaccuracies and misunderstandings, and its recurrent use of the archaic "thou" was seriously misleading. Now Professor Walter Kaufmann, a distinguished writer and philosopher in his own right who was close to Buber, has retranslated the work at the request of Buber's family. He has added a wealth of informative footnotes to clarify obscurities and bring the reader closer to the original, and he has written a long "Prologue" that opens up new perspectives on the book and on Buber's thought. This volume should provide a new basis for all future discussions of Buber.

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                    4 out of 5 stars A half-departure from liberal theology.......2007-08-27

                    Ich und Du ("I and Thou") is one of those philosophical texts which, like Schopenhauer's Die Welt und Wille als Vorstellung, consist of the elaboration of a single thought. The thought is stated up front: human beings have a double relation to the world: Ich-Du and Ich-Es. The Ich-Es relation reifies and separates things out (whether they be "internal" or "external" things), while the Ich-Du relation is nothing but relation itself. The Eswelt is a world of nebeneinander and the laws that govern nebeneinander, while the Duwelt is a seamless experience of "presence." The Ich that reaches out and the Du that reaches back (neither of which reflects on "what" they individually are) constitute an exclusive circular reality (Ausschließlickheit) untroubled by causal and spatiotemporal regress. To be sure, the Duwelt collapses into the Eswelt, which means that the Ich and the Du degenerate into so many instances of Es, but there is always the possibility of resurrecting the Ich & Du hidden within the Es.

                    There are different kinds of Ich-Du relation: 1) with nature (presumably before we know to call it "nature"), in which case we stand at the "threshold of speech"; 2) with human beings, in which case speech coincides with the Ich-Du relation; and 3) with "spiritual beings," in which case the relation itself is speechless, but it can generate speech. (This third relation is very much in the spirit of romantic poesis.) A special subset of the third relation is the relation to God, who is the Du beyond every particular Du. God is the only Du with whom our relation cannot degrade into an Ich-Es relation, because there is no Es beyond every individual Es for which God could be mistaken. (There are, too be sure, many things which people falsely call "God," things which are really part of nature or of ourselves, such as Schleiermacher's Abhangigkeitsgefühl or Rudolf Otto's Kreaturgefühl, as Buber specifically points out).

                    What is essential in every case is the duality of the relation. Buber warns against interpreting the Ich-Du as a self-relation of the Ich (i.e. Hegel) or as a kind of "symmetry breaking" (to use a term from physics), which can be restored to oneness at the proper mystical "heat."

                    One of the explicit objects of this text is to move beyond liberal Protestant theology, i.e. beyond a theology that grounds the religious in some quality of subjective experience. For Buber, religion occurs before there is a subject, and once we arrive at the subject, we find it impossible to even think of religion apart from the subject's relation to another. Buber exploits the pronoun Du ("you") to draw our attention to an experience of encounter (rather than reflection or feeling) inadequately addressed by rational philosophy, and he employs this experience in the service of religion.

                    Buber may not go far enough, however. He moves beyond the subject, but he does not move beyond religion-as-experience, which is the real drawback of liberal theology. In a sense, Buber is freeing God from the subject only to bind him down to "relation" (Beziehung), which hovers somewhere between subject and object, and is not obviously "religious" at all. There is nothing in Buber's argument protecting it, for example, from a biological-evolutionary explanation of the Ich-Du relation, or a psychoanalytic one. Buber overcomes one obstacle only to land himself before another one.

                    Sorry if that was a little technical.

                    4 out of 5 stars a baffler.......2007-07-18

                    This book is for intellectual heavy-hitters, and unfortunately I am not one of them, thus am forced to rely on others' interpretations for the answer to the question: What was Buber talking about? I have absolutely no idea - the text rambles on as if it were about something...but is very abstract. I could not find anything in it with which to identify or relate to my experience, except for a few comments about creative acts. This book is for readers accustomed to philosophical texts. It is not for the untrained or casual reader - it is for the academic reader.

                    5 out of 5 stars Unending Bloom.......2007-06-03

                    This is a difficult book that (purposefully) subverts all the standard modes of philosophical discourse in favor of metaphorical imagery. It does this because its subject matter, the spiritual happening that gives life its meaning, cannot be contained in static, philosophical concepts. The occurrence of the I/Thou, the event of meaningful relation, defies all notions of matter and logic. Matter and logic belong to the I/It world- the necessary but spiritually void public world. As the It world grows in strength, this book serves as a beautiful reminder of who we are and what we can be. And as philosophy again loses its soul and degenerates into mere technique, this little book can remind us what philosophy's true domain is- wisdom.

                    5 out of 5 stars ........2007-05-17

                    How can you describe such a book? Through his prose, Buber takes the reader to a place that is almost holy. I'd been waiting my entire life for this text.

                    5 out of 5 stars About Authentic Meeting.......2006-08-17

                    I find the notes of Walter Kaufmann very valuable and gives another way of understanding the Old Testament. If you get an edition of I AND THOU, I highly recommend getting one translated with notes by Walter Kaufmann. The main theme of Buber in this book is that there are two basic relationships with life I-Thou and I-It. When we meet life in I-Thou we enter the sacred and are truly authentic to each other. From this basic relationship comes a kind of Monotheism as well as the ethics of personal conscience and integrity and meeting another person in their fullness, rather than reducing them or life to a thing which can be manipulated or analyzed or even objectively known. I feel that Buber opened the heart and core of the Old Testament to me, beyond what my previously more Christian studies implied was there (making any message there inferior to what the New Testament gives). Before then all I could get was outmoded laws, grisly wars, strange folklore, and proverbial common sense with an occasionally wise statement which was a nugget of gold in the strange medley of books. But once I got what this kind of authentic relating was about, something seemed to unify for me about the Old Testament and the rest made sense. I still find a lot of what I used to find there, but with the key Buber gave, I could see something growing at the very heart of Judaism behind all those books about what it meant to meet each other authentically and to feel I divinity that says I AM.
                    Walter Ong's Contributions to Cultural Studies: The Phenomenology of the Word and I-Thou Communication (The Hampton Press Communication Series (Media Ecology).)
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                    Walter Ong's Contributions to Cultural Studies: The Phenomenology of the Word and I-Thou Communication (The Hampton Press Communication Series (Media Ecology).)
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                    5 out of 5 stars yes.......2007-06-21

                    flowing and smooth, mathamatically beautiful. Convergent with new sense of clues carrot dangled right in front of our faces for centuries.....
                    many centuries. What we have lost has been returned.

                    5 out of 5 stars The author humbly submits the following comments.......2007-06-09

                    The subsection entitled "The So-Called Great Divide Theory" is now more important for people to understand than ever before. Let me explain why.

                    _Time_ magazine dated June 4, 2007, features a cover story on No Child Left Behind. In the piece entitled "Grading the Program," we are informed that "[e]ven the Department of Education concedes that its remedies for chronic school failure are not working" (p. 41).

                    Now, the children in those schools are probably from a residual form of primary oral culture, to use Ong's terminology.

                    Now, in American history _McGuffey's Readers_ were used to help generations of children in American public schools learn how to read effectively, many of whom were also probably from a residual form of primary oral culture. In _An Ong Reader: Challenges for Further Inquiry_ (Hampton Press, 2002), Ong discusses how _McGuffey's Readers_ are orally-aurally resonant -- in short, most of the selections sound impressive when they are read aloud. This is just the kind of material that students from a residually oral culture need to hear and need to practice reading aloud -- perhaps occasionally even in class choral readings. More recent examples of impressive oratory would include John F. Kennedy's "Inaugural Address" and Martin Luther King's speech "I Have a Dream."

                    _McGuffey's Readers_ worked in the past, so they will probably work again to help another generation of children in American public schools to read effectively.

                    I first suggested that _McGuffey's Readers_ be used once again in American public schools in my controversial December 1983 article in the professional journal _College Composition and Communication_, an official publication of the National Council of Teachers of English.

                    In my controversial 1983 article, I stated that I was presenting my suggestion as a hypothesis to be tested. Unfortunately, my hypothesis has not been tested. Thus it has not been proved wrong or incorrect.

                    But the time has now come to put my hypothesis to the test in longitudinal tests in the the worst-case schools in the United States.

                    So here is my challenge to President George W. Bush: Go ahead, prove me wrong!

                    Step 1: Have the Department of Education invite the schools that are experiencing the worst school failure to volunteer to pilot-test the use of _McGuffey's Readers_ on a school-wide basis.

                    Step 2: Have the Department of Education arrange to have enough boxed sets shipped to each school that volunteers to participate, so that each child and each teacher in each of the schools will receive a boxed set, preferably with each person's name listed on the outside of the box and on the title page of each book in the boxed set. The schools volunteering to participate will be responsible for having the name labels prepared and put on.

                    Step 3: Have the teachers use the relevant readers in the various grade levels, with the understanding that students in a given grade level may need to use some of the earlier readers first before working up to the more advanced readers.

                    Step 4: The Department of Education should arrange for suitable metrics to be used to monitor progress over a three-year period of time for the pilot trial program.

                    5 out of 5 stars I-Thou Communication.......2001-01-15

                    As a writer/storyteller, I was captivated by this review of Ong's life-long endeavor to bring back the vocal word to the culture. Farrel's inclusion of other familiar proponents of the evolution of human consciousness (Buber, Chardin, Cargas) and noted contemporaries such as John Bradshaw, gave this lay person a feeling of comfort among scholarly dialogue. Ong's acceptance of modern technology, such as TV, gives credence to his "ordinary language philosophy." The focus of Farrell's study, is the "feeling/valuing function" of our human consciousness, and also the focus of many psychologists today. Not a quick read, yet a page turner nevertheless.
                    Martin Buber's I and Thou: Practicing Living Dialogue
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                    Martin Buber's I and Thou: Practicing Living Dialogue
                    Kenneth Paul Kramer
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                    Book Description

                    Martin Buber's classic philosophy of dialogue, I and Thou, is at the core of Kenneth Paul Kramer's scholarly and impressive Living Dialogue: Practicing Buber's I and Thou. In three main parts, paralleling the three of I and Thou, and focusing upon Buber's key concepts --"nature," "spirit becoming forms," "true community," the "real I," the "eternal Thou," "turning,"--and the two fundamental dialogues--the "I-Thou" and the "I-It"--the book clarifies, puts into practice and vigorously affirms the moral validity of Buber's philosophy, with its extension to love, marriage, the family, the community, and God, in the conviction that "genuine dialogue" will effect better relations with one another, the world and God.

                    Well-researched, and replete with a glossary of Buberian terms, practice exercises for true dialoguing, and discussion questions, Living Dialogue emerges as an invaluable guide to I and Thou.

                    Highlights:

                    · a lens through which to see and understand the philosopher and his work anew · a must-read for undergraduates, as well as relationship counselors, therapists, and general readers, who will benefit from the work's clarity and ease of expression · includes a foreword by Maurice Friedman

                    Customer Reviews:

                    5 out of 5 stars A Classic Companion.......2003-12-04

                    Martin Buber's I and Thou: Practicing Living Dialogue is an excellent introduction and overview of Buber's I and Thou. Kenneth Kramer is extremely readable and conveys complex ideas in a manner that allows the reader to grasp the concepts with much more facility. Through the use of illustrations, referencing other work by Buber, side by side exerpts of Smith's and Kaufmann's translations, and additional insights offered by Kenneth Kramer and Mechthild Gawlick, Buber's challenging masterpiece is presented in a way that is engaging and understandable. I highly recommend this book to anyone who is looking for a "user friendly" introduction to Buberian thought. It is a great resource for students and teachers of philosophy, theology, or modern thought. This book made such an impact upon me, that I am keeping multiple copies on hand so that I don't have to lend my own.
                    I and Thou
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                      I and Thou
                      Martin Buber
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                      I and Thou (The Scribner Library, SL 15)
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                        Martin Buber
                        Manufacturer: Charles Scribner's Sons
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                        The Scribner Library SL 15, trade paperback "with a Postscript by the Author added."
                        I AND THOU
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                          Martin; Kaufmann, Walter Buber
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                          Lord I Believe, Help Thou Mine Unbelief
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                            Thou Shalt Not Dump the Skater Dude and Other Commandments I Have Broken
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                            • An appealing book about life after a breakup
                            Thou Shalt Not Dump the Skater Dude and Other Commandments I Have Broken
                            Rosemary Graham
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                            Tall, blonde, and pretty, Kelsey may look like a perfect California girl, but she doesn't feel like one.That is, until she starts dating a popular skater dude named C. J. Logan. But after a while, the life of a skater girlfriend begins to wear on Kelsey, and she decides to go it alone. C. J. doesn't take being dumped lightly, and he starts spreading rumors about Kelsey. Now Kelsey has to save her reputation and work on building her new identity—as a star reporter for the school's prestigious newspaper.

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                            5 out of 5 stars Courtesy of Teens Read Too.......2007-05-05

                            Kelsey just can't believe that her mother would decide to up and leave Boston and take Kelsey and her brother along to Berkeley, California, just so she could follow her dreams of going to law school. Except that, for her mother, it seemed like the perfect chance after the divorce was final. Sure, Kelsey may look like a character on The O.C., but she sure doesn't feel right at home in California.

                            She just wished that her mother would have moved them after her middle school years and before her high school years. And Kelsey has good reason, since when she starts out as an 8th-grader at Susan B. Anthony, it's just way too hard to make friends. Especially when there are only twenty kids in her grade, that have known each other since forever, and have established their own cliques.

                            But then Kelsey's life begins to pick up some momentum when she starts going out with C.J. Logan, the popular skateboarder. Yet even this doesn't feel right to Kelsey, since when dating C.J., it's all about him, all the time. So Kelsey does what any normal girl would do when it just isn't working out - she breaks up with C.J. Unfortunately, this proves costly toward her reputation. And so now Kelsey has her sights on something much bigger: becoming a reporter for her school newspaper. Well, that and a different boy to crush on.

                            THOU SHALT NOT DUMP THE SKATER DUDE AND OTHER COMMANDMENTS I HAVE BROKEN is just full of tricks and flips that every teenager goes through. Rosemary Graham cooks up a hilarious novel that teaches us how to ignore all the drama and move on with your life by finding something else to do (getting in a little revenge along the way). Kelsey becomes a heroine to all and you just can't help but want the best for her.

                            Reviewed by: Randstostipher "tallnlankyrn" Nguyen

                            4 out of 5 stars Dumping the skater dude.......2006-07-19

                            C.J. Logan knows all the moves on and off the skateboard. Hand in the back pocket, whispers in the ear and hair pulling gets the girl everytime. It sure worked for Kelsey. But after a year Kelsey grows tired of playing second string to the skateboard, so she dumps him. When she comes home from summer with her dad and checks CJ's blog she finds something she never expected. He writes that he dumped her because she was a Total Sex Fiend. Of course, everyone believes C.J. and Kelsey is left to find her own idenity, who she is when she's not CJ's girlfriend.

                            4 out of 5 stars Entertaining to read.......2006-01-13

                            Kelsey has just been forced to move all the way from Boston to California during the worst time in her life, the beginning of 8th grade. She completes her year at a prestigious Private all-girls school and realizes that she doesn't want to deal with snotty girls anymore. She decides to go to the public school, where she instantly gets recognized by the school celebrity, skateboarder C.J. Logan. Not long after, she becomes his girlfriend and gets to experience the perks of being popular. When Kelsey realizes that C.J. isn't putting in enough effort to be a good boyfriend, she dumps him after a year. But there's only one problem, C.J. has never been dumped before. So he spreads rumors about Kelsey around school and makes her miserable. But Kelsey tries to ignore them and becomes interested in the famed school newspaper, the Bee, and puts all her effort into making it as a journalist. When the rumors still affect her life one year later, Kelsey has to do something to stand up for herself before it's too late.

                            I was surprised at how much I liked this book. While I feel that younger teens would enjoy this book more, it was still entertaining to read. It was refreshing to read about a character like Kelsey. The story was really interesting too, even though the concept of a high school romance is common in many young adult books these days. I'd recommend this book as a fun, easy read to take your mind off things. The ending of the story made me want to know more. I don't know if the author is planning to write a sequel, but I know that I will probably pick up any other book that she writes.

                            4 out of 5 stars Cute read.......2006-01-12

                            Kelsey has just been forced to move all the way from Boston to California during the worst time in her life, the beginning of 8th grade. She completes her year at a prestigious Private all-girls school and realizes that she doesn't want to deal with snotty girls anymore. She decides to go to the public school, where she instantly gets recognized by the school celebrity, skateboarder C.J. Logan. Not long after, she becomes his girlfriend and gets to experience the perks of being popular.

                            When Kelsey realizes that C.J. isn't putting in enough effort to be a good boyfriend, she dumps him after a year. But there's only one problem, C.J. has never been dumped before. So he spreads rumors about Kelsey around school and makes her miserable. But Kelsey tries to ignore them and becomes interested in the famed school newspaper, the Bee, and puts all her effort into making it as a journalist. When the rumors still affect her life one year later, Kelsey has to do something to stand up for herself before it's too late.

                            I was surprised at how much I liked this book. While I feel that younger teens would enjoy this book more, it was still entertaining to read. It was refreshing to read about a character like Kelsey. The story was really interesting too, even though the concept of a high school romance is common in many young adult books these days. I'd recommend this book as a fun, easy read to take your mind off things. The ending of the story made me want to know more. I don't know if the author is planning to write a sequel, but I know that I will probably pick up any other book that she writes.

                            5 out of 5 stars An appealing book about life after a breakup.......2005-12-16

                            Pretty and blond, Kelsey looks the part of the perfect popular girl. But Kelsey's life is far from perfect. She is new in town, misses her old home, and is finding it difficult to make new friends. Then she meets C. J. Logan, who is cute, popular, and a professional skateboarder.

                            Life with C. J. is everything Kelsey imagined it to be. She finds herself part of an envied inner circle. But her entire life revolves around C. J. and his skateboarding competitions. After a romantic date interrupted by C. J. showing off his moves to some kids they meet downtown, Kelsey decides she no longer wants to live in C. J.'s shadow. She dumps him just before summer vacation, not prepared for what she will find when she returns to school the next year.

                            Kelsey is now a misfit. None of her old friends talk to her anymore. She discovers that C. J. has posted cruel lies about her in his blog, which the entire school reads. THOU SHALT NOT DUMP THE SKATER DUDE is about how Kelsey rebuilds her life after C. J., and forges a life worth calling her own.

                            A stand-alone companion to MY NOT-SO-TERRIBLE TIME AT THE HIPPIE HOTEL, the strongest points of the book are Kelsey's relationship with her family and with her best friend: the hipster vegan, Amy. As it spans almost three years, the book is plot-driven with less attention given to the details of Kelsey's daily life.

                            Innocent and non-controversial, THOU SHALT NOT DUMP THE SKATER DUDE (AND OTHER COMMANDMENTS I HAVE BROKEN) is light on commandment breaking. Parents and teachers will appreciate its positive portrayal of self-esteem, while its light tone and the likable Kelsey will appeal to younger teen readers.

                            --- Reviewed by Sarah A. Wood
                            I and Thou
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                              Martin Buber
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