History: Fiction or Science? (Chronology, No. 1)

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Recorded history is a finely-woven magic fabric of intricate lies about events predating the sixteenth century. There is not a single piece of evidence that can be reliably and independently traced back earlier than the eleventh century. This book details events that are substantiated by hard facts and logic, and validated by new astronomical research and statistical analysis of ancient sources.

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Calculations are only as good as your numbers.......2007-08-03

Yes, we can all agree that mainstream history is nearly 100% BS due to politics, economics, ego, problems with dating techniques, and various conspiracies. Agreed. But, I've been researching the distinct possibility that human history (in terms of civilizations) are much more ancient than we've been told, so coming across this book was very interesting to me. I wondered how Fomenko could be wrong (if at all) because he is very persuasive in his presentations. Then it dawned on me. If at previous times in prehistory, due to the various catastrophies that are well documented (comets, asteroids, planetary disruptions, plasma discharge, pole reversals, etc) the Earth was in a different position in relation to the sun, different tilt on its axis, different orbit, different rotation (in terms of velocity and DIRECTION), and the continents were in different positions, then would this not cause the ancients to see the sky (constellations) differently? In other words, is Fomenko making erronious assumptions about the physics of the Earth in pre-history, which then corrupt his data with regards to dating the relevant astrology? The last event to seriously disrupt our planet occured roughly 3500 years ago, according to other good researchers, so is it possible Fomenko has been confused by this? The vastly different physics of our planet in the not so distant past may explain this confusion, which is not to say the "mainstream" version of history is correct; on the contrary. I am not an expert in these fields, but wanted to see if this idea could spark discussion.

Pants on fire?.......2007-07-19

Will people ever read before spamming? Yes, Jesuits could not rewrite world history alone, they had help. Anyway, Dr Prof Acad A.Fomenko does not point to jesuits as the driving force of world wide history manipulation in published volumes 1,2,3;, actually he barely mentions the poor devils. Check it with 'Search inside' feature, please. China is rarely mentioned either, in fact, Dr Fomenko is completely eurocentric. Right, his theory contradicts all mainstream schools of history, because in their actual state they are all built on blatantly erroneus chronology. You don't need a mysterious cabal (conspiracy) to falsify history, the falsification is its modus operandi. It is inherent to history(ians) to falsify (distort) events, as it is inherent to humans to boast as it is inherent to power (authority) to legimize itself by referrring to glorious past made to its own order. Dr Prof Fomenko and team have identified scores of instances of such manipulation in Russian, European, etc.. history, and delivered valid statistical proof thereof. His own 'reconstruction' is completely another story. Forget c14 as a valid method of dating. W.Libby has initially discovered a brilliant method of INDEPENDENT dating. Too bad, c14 method has become a joke after a forced marrige with dendrochronology with consensual chronological scale inbuilt. Radiocarbon method can't stand blind tests, but is so very productive as a rubberstamp.

Accepted History & Chronology Must Be Changed. .......2007-04-09

There is no doubt that history as most know it is a sham, & institution's version of History both University & Church is fradulent & inaccurate. Everything was established with an agenda, The real "Dark Ages" are now when we have access to incredible amounts of information past authorities & more important 'common folk' didn't have but our institutions & educators are slow to evolve because of what has ignorantly & arrogantly been taught for too long. This is on many subjects not just Chronology.

For anyone to question "Why would a Mathematician have anything credible to say of History?" The answer is from Dr. Fomenko's preface in the book: "It would be worthwhile to remind the reader that in the XVI-XVII century Chronology was considered to be a subdivision of Mathematics." These volumes could possibly be some of the most important works to date & should be read by everyone with an interest in History, especially professors & educators who have a duty to the public. I have read both books & must say that 'Chronology 1' has some very eye opening & revolutionary information. Even if these volumes are part true the implications are profound & opens the doors to further investigations & questions which must be done. I speak several different lanquages & must say the logic Dr. Fomenko uses with "inflection" of words & words being read from left to right in one region & right to left in another then written backwards, the removal of vowels & get down to basics of words, or different cities & locations having the same name etc. is correct. Vowel usage has always been optional & varied, actually complicating linquistics & study. The first thing one has to understand is that words never had a fixed spelling in history like we do now, the spelling of words was mutable & regional, as well as names & titles of people were vast, varied & changed, NOTHING WAS FIXED or understood linear. Matters of Life & Death as well as financial profiteering yesterday & today were & are made with ignorant, illogical & conspiratorial views of history & reality, it's time people get closer to the Truth & society collectively grow up.

Very Interesting.......2007-03-07

It is a good proposal and I believe it will mature into something even better in the future. I think it deserves to be read.

History as Science Fiction.......2007-01-10

Anatoly Fomenko has written a very intriguing book, full of pictures, charts, and computer 'proof' of his thesis: backwards of AD900 we don't really know what happened or when. Between AD900 and AD1600 there is more certainty, but there is still a lot of fuzzy ground, and things don't get reliable until we get past the 1600's where the printing press made it very difficult for the perpetrators of this timeline manipulation to change anything that had been committed to print. The Dark Ages did not happen. Books were burned for a reason. One organization has doubled the actual length of its existence by expanding the real chronology. Read why.

I had always wondered why Christ died about AD33 and yet men waited until the 11th century to form the Knights Templar, the Cathars, etc and go after the Holy Land by force. Why the 1000 year gap? Turns out there wasn't more than a 10-12 year gap and he proves it using astronomy. This also implies that the planet is not as old as we have been told, and current Christian and other creationist scientists are already championing that idea without being aware of Fomenko's book. The two groups, creationist scientists and the Russian mathematical analysts corroborate each other. Fascinating.

Of course, all this flies in the face of what we have been told traditionally is the 'proper' chronology of western civilization, and most readers will experience 'cognitive dissonance' in reading this book. It means that our history going backwards from AD1600 becomes progressively more incorrect and unreliable until it cannot be trusted at all... in the space of 700-800 years.

Naturally, the curious, open-minded reader will want to know WHO did this, WHY, and did any of the events we think of as really ancient ever happen?
Dr. Fomenko is a respected scientist/mathematician at Moscow State University who has already answered these questions to the satisfaction of his initially skeptical colleagues. Most of them are now believers, a few still refuse to believe (the usual diehards), and of course the western press has ignored Fomenko's work -- for obvious reasons when you read the book. The ones who perpetrated this chronology ruse have a lot to answer for. They are still with us. That's why this book is a well-kept secret.

I gave the book a 4-star rating because I was unable to check out some of his claims; those I checked were as he said. But if even 1/3 of his claims are true, this punches a big hole in what we think is our history, the meaning of western civilization, our educational process (for repeating the ruse as gospel), and the trustworthiness of the organization that perpetrated this ruse, well-intentioned or not.

This book relates to current research into a Young Earth paradigm, to John Keel's discoveries about our planet, and Fr Malachi Martin's insights (in his now out-of-print books). We are indeed sheep who are manipulated and kept ignorant -- for a reason. While knowing what these men have to say may be the "booby prize" (as in: 'what can you do with this knowledge?'), it will provide interesting reading. Didn't someone say: "...and the Truth will set you free."?? For you to judge if this book contains the truth.

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Modern Physics and Ancient Faith
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The best of it's kind.......2007-09-04

The best of this genre, Stephen makes a strong case for the Cosmological, Teleological, and the Design Argument for God.

Confusing deism with Christianity.......2007-07-05

This is an important book, as the other reviews show, and I cannot add much to them. But I have noticed that Dr. Barr has not distinguished his theological viewpoint from Deism. Many people who understand that materialism is not science nonetheless mistake Deism for Christianity. It seems that he is saying that God initially created the world with all of the plans for all of modern life and humanity inherent in matter, and did not need to intervene.

This, of course, denies Christianity as God sending His son. This may not be what Dr. Barr meant, but why did he not say so? It appears he totally misunderstands traditional Christianity, in spite of his claim to be a Roman Catholic.

Dr. Barr argues for evidence for God in physics, but does not adequately deal with the basic problem he brings up, namely that no one can see evidence for God in the world if he begins by mistaking materialism for science, as most scientists do. Also, it is easy to let your eyes get glazed over at his math, but that is my problem, not his.

Another Excellent Intelligent Design Book.......2007-06-04

Modern Physics and Ancient Faith is another new Intelligent Design (ID) book that focuses on the evidence for ID in the physical creation instead of the biological creation as is common in ID books. As my area is biology, I feel ID is stronger in this area, but this book was very convincing to me, a non-physicist. My main concern is most of the arguments that Barr uses have already been covered in some detail in the ID literature, thus I was familiar with many of the arguments. Nonetheless, Barr covers them in more detail than most ID books and his work is better documented. If one wants to learn about ID, this is an excellent book that presents the arguments in a very readable and convincing way. I learned about it from my ID friends who recommended it highly. Also, a concern is Barr is not a biologist and tends to repeat some common misinformation about those who have problems with Darwinism. It must be added that he often adds the cravat "Dawkins says" or Dennett calls" or related. Barr does a good job showing the "age old argument from design" has historically been by far one of the most compelling arguments for Gods existence and then shows why this argument is still very compelling (see chapters 9 and 10). He also explains in an excellent, but short, discussion why abiogenesis as required by Darwinism and most orthodox evolutionists today is not supported by science (page 74). The first link in evolution is a missing link and "decades of attempts to solve this problem have borne little fruit" (page 74). Barr adds the fact is the "origin of life problem is made very hard by the fact that that first form 'primitive' life form was probably already enormously completed." I would add not "probably', but, from all that is known today, the first life must have been "enormously completed." Highly recommended for anyone wanting to learn more about ID.

Great Product! .......2007-03-09

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Modern Physics Affirms Ancient Faith........2007-02-15

For several centuries now a debate has raged between materialists and theists over the question of the existence of God. For a time it was widely suspected among the educated public that modern science had finally disproven the existence of God and that faith was unwarranted. In recent times, this debate has come to a head yet again, with many notable scientists publishing books making the case against faith. However, a growing number of scientists are recognizing some important implications of recent discoveries in cosmology, theoretical physics, and mathematics that actually (ironically for the materialist!) make faith credible and severely weaken the case for materialism. It is in light of these discoveries that a book such as this is very important.

_Modern Physics and Ancient Faith_ by particle physicist Stephen M. Barr makes the case that modern physics lends credence to faith and weakens the case for materialism. It should be noted that while Barr is a Roman Catholic and does quote extensively from Catholic thinkers (Augustine, Aquinas, Chesterton, etc.) and church documents, that the case he makes here is really for theism itself (as traditionally understood) and thus his arguments should be palatable to any religious sympathetic to this viewpoint. To begin with, Barr makes several important points about materialism as a creed. First, Barr notes the commonly held idea that religion and science do not occupy the same domain. He finds such an idea too superficial in certain respects. Barr also refutes another commonly held idea that materialism is in fact synonymous with the scientific enterprise itself. It is this idea that Barr finds to be the most problematic and which he will refute in this book. It is also widely believed among the educated classes that science and religion exist in a state of warfare (it is against this claim that Barr will argue and he will refer to materialism as an "anti-religious mythology"). Barr will show throughout this book that ultimately materialism rests upon unproven assertion - it reduces to the circularity "materialism is true because materialism is true" and thus cannot be really held to be rationally based. To begin with, Barr considers the alleged conflict between faith and reason. He notes the importance of reason in the early Christian fathers (including Augustine), especially in the thought of Saint Aquinas, and even in certain Protestant theologians. Barr also demonstrates that throughout history Catholics (and indeed all religious) have played an important role in the development of science (indeed it may even be said that certain Catholic thinkers gave rise to the modern scientific endeavor itself!). Further, Barr shows that many of the alleged conflicts between the church and science (in which mythology holds that the church tried to stifle science) are in fact mythical. The only case that Barr believes actually involved a conflict between the church and science is the case of Galileo. However, once one looks beyond the myth and to the actual history of this event itself, one sees that it occurred for more political and personal reasons and had less to do with an apparent conflict than is commonly believed. Barr also maintains that the Biblical understanding of God allowed for modern science to develop (in that the pagan animistic worldview was uprooted). Following this discussion, Barr turns to more modern developments (particularly at the forefront of physics) and presents five "plot twists" which severely undercut the credibility of the materialist viewpoint. In the second section of the book, Barr examines what modern physics has to say about the beginning of the universe. Barr presents the Big Bang model and explains how such a model was developed and came to fit the facts. (Interestingly, the Big Bang model was denied for many years by important scientists, likely because of the unsavory theological implications of a universe with a beginning. One may note the irony among a group of people who would maintain that denying such widely accepted theories as Darwinism is lunacy, but denying the Big Bang is legitimate.) It turns out that to avoid some of the implications of the Big Bang model, the materialist must resort to certain highly questionable procedures (invoking unobservable multiple universes for example). In particular, to avoid such implications Hawking (and others) have resorted to extremely questionable methodology by positing unobservable (even in principle!) entities. This should make the religious believer less embarrassed in talking about unobservable supernatural entities. It is hypocritical to allow for one (merely to save materialism) and not the other. (If cosmology is a science, then parapsychology is also a science. So, I say they should both be regarded as science.) Furthermore, this puts to bed once and for all such arguments as the "God of the gaps" argument and the "wishful thinking" argument. (They apply to both!) The third section is devoted to the argument from design. The author makes the case for design, noting the presence of extremely miniscule probabilities involved in the creation of life, various anthropic coincidences (another case where many mainstream scientists opposed the development of science to maintain materialism), and the beauty of the laws of nature (as well as the "unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics" in describing nature). He shows some of the arguments against design made by materialists (often invoking the anthropic principle or even "blind chance") but notes how all of these are problematic. In the case of Darwinism, he does not espouse dogma but maintains that it remains a scientifically open question (noting the doubts of such famous scientists as Wolfgang Pauli. Kurt Godel also doubted!). The fourth section of this book is devoted to the nature of man. First, the author presents the materialist case (allegedly science has "dethroned man"). However, he shows how problematic such a case is, emphasizing our intellect, free will, and reason. The author makes the case for free will, explaining how quantum theory clears new ground for free will. The author notes how paradoxes arise in those who maintain the case for determinism. He also notes the common sense objection against determinism ("If a man should give me arguments that I do not see, though I could not answer them, should I believe that I do not see?" - Johnson to Boswell). The author then turns his attention to difficulties that arise for those who maintain that matter can understand. This is the artificial intelligence debate. Making use of the reality of universals and mathematical Platonism, the author presents a powerful argument against artificial intelligence. The author presents a similarly powerful argument against the idea that the mind is merely a computer (this is the Lucas argument making use of Godel's famous incompleteness results). Following this the author discusses quantum theory. He shows how quantum mechanics (as understand by the standard Copenhagen interpretation) can be used to present an argument against materialism, and that in order to avoid it the materialist must resort to some highly questionable assumptions. The author also considers some of the alternative interpretations of quantum mechanics (the pilot wave theory of Bohm, the many worlds interpretation, etc.), but ultimately he finds all of them unconvincing. The author ends by suggesting that a pattern is emerging. And, he notes how materialism is ultimately reduced to unproven assertion (it cannot answer the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?"). The author ends with three appendices: the first covers "God, Time, and Creation" from a Thomistic perspective, the second deals with various attempts to explain the beginning of time scientifically (noting the importance of quantum vacuum fluctuations in this respect, but ultimately showing difficulties for such accounts and for materialism generally), and a third appendix explaining Godel's theorems.

As can be seen from reading this book, one can no longer say that science has finally eliminated religious belief. Indeed, recent developments in physics, cosmology, and mathematics seem to indicate the exact opposite. The only problem that could possibly arise for religious belief in this respect, I belief, would occur if a dogmatic materialist opposition managed to fully take control of the scientific enterprise. However, so long as there remains the freedom to quest after the truth, this possibility is not likely.

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